Hi

Does anyone out there know of a good translating program. I have tried a few on the web but some of the translations come out really weird!

If anyone can give me some light on a good one I'd appreciate it.

I realise a lot of it will not be exact but....

Thanks

Naturally, because language is a subjective, non-mathematic case, it is impossible
to make any perfect electronic tool for translation.
I work at a bookstore, and I know about both "pocket calculators" with translation
and the "ze-pen", and also about web-links out on the internet that translates.
BUT, they all have the same problems.

I have though heard about an expensive computer (500 dollars or more), that
was better. But I don't know the name of it, but I think it has been mentioned at
this site somewhere.

I use ordinary dictionary, and in addition, I use web translation - but with
caution.
-
www.online-translator.com
translation2.paralink.com/
www.freetranslation.com/
www.stars21.com/translator/ukrainian_to_english.html

When I translate from english or german into russian, I always double-check
the result.

-{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@
Chuvashiya and beers, Cheboksary! Cheers!
- Greetings from Norway - Russia's friendly neighbour -

[the fight against abuse of Cheboksary City and it's
good girls, continues at www.romancescam.com]

Hello
Have you tried this, I use it for English - Italian and even before I send if translation is correct.

[translate.google.com]

TESTING

GOOGLETRANSLATION [translate.google.com]
(I pushed "recognize language" and then "translate" into russian)
I am from Norway. Я из Норвегии.
I am norwegian. Я с норвежского языка.
(...it chose language instead of nationality, very bad)
I speak norwegian. Я говорю норвежский.
(норвежский is not correct, по-норвежски is)
German: Ich spreche norwegisch. Я говорю норвежский. (no no...)
German: Ich bin aus Norwegen. Я из Норвегии. (yes)
German: Ich bin (der) Norweger. Я норвежцев. (norwegians? how many?)


PROMT www.online-translator.com
(russian language uses not "am", therefore the "-"
I am from Norway. Я из Норвегии.
I am norwegian. Я - норвежец.
I am the norwegian. Я - норвежец.
I am the norwegian one. Я - норвежский. (?)
I speak norwegian. Я говорю на норвежском языке. (not)
I speak in norwegian. Я говорю на норвежском языке. (not)
Ich spreche norwegisch. Я говорю по-норвежски. (good)


PARALINK www.translation2.paralink.com/
I am from Norway. Я из Норвегии.
I am norwegian. Я норвежец.
I speak norwegian. Я говорю на норвежском языке. ( almost )
Ich spreche norwegisch. Я говорю по-норвежски. (good)


FREETRANSLATION www.freetranslation.com/
(it has no translation german-russian, and it is not very good)
(russian language uses not "am", therefore the "-"
I am from Norway. Я - из Норвегии. (ok)
I am norwegian. Я - норвежец. (ok)
I am the norwegian. Я - норвежец. (ok)
I am the norwegian one. Я - норвежский. (nationality of objects)
I speak norwegian. Я говорю на норвежском языке. ( no )
I speak in norwegian. Я говорю на норвежском языке. (no)


My conclusion is that google translation is not very good.
The freetranslation is not very good either. It was very easy
to use the google, but the result was not reliable.
The other two I use when they are available, because they
have german to russian also. It gives me the ability to
double-check. German grammar on verbs are quite similar
to russian grammar on verbs.


-{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@ --{-{@
Chuvashiya and beers, Cheboksary! Cheers!
- Greetings from Norway - Russia's friendly neighbour -

[the fight against abuse of Cheboksary City and it's
good girls, continues at www.romancescam.com]

Djoeye and imbatunio , thank you very much for the help.

i will try the various ones and see which one likes my SA english best!
And I think I need to start learning Russian though the alphabet really gets me!

cheers again

Zoog the Russian alphabet is dead easy once you get the hang of it and you cannot learn Russian without it. It should take no more than a day or two. Russian words are mostly spelled the way they sound, unlike good old English. Try explaining why you don't sound out about half (let alone all) the letters in 'Knightsbridge' to a Russian shopaholic trying to get to Harrods in a taxi.
Here is a useful Russian - English typing (keyboard) program. Tero Russian Magictyper. Its shareware and the author appreciates a few quid via Paypal.
As for translators, I have tried them all, but tend to use Google Translate. No its not perfect, but at least we can now correspond with clients, friends, staff, agencies, companies, organisations and governments all over the world in something approaching their own language, which we never could before, not even 3 years ago. I think that is amazing, truly truly amazing.

Oh yeah, and once you have cracked the alphabet, let us know how you are doing with perfective and imperfective forms of verbs of motion. G'luck mate!

Re translators
I use two, but mainly GOOGLE - [translate.google.com] AND I always reverse the translation - if it does not reverse keeping the intent of the message then I use this one - [www.freetranslation.com] I also combine parts of each translator to be understood as much as possible.

AND, CheckbooksRus, that is very different to my experience!!!! When I first started learning Russian I was told that Russian was sounded as it is spelt , and that made my initial attempts to learn Russian difficult, but once I made some friends I QUICKLY discovered that Russian is every bit as complicated as English - E.G. How do you pronounce "спасибо" - the "o" is NOT pronounced "o", and there are many more examples.

Re Keyboard.
To Russify your keyboard:- If you are running WindowsXP then install Russian, and then go to C:\WINDOWS\system32\osk.exe, and right click on osk.exe and send shortcut to desktop!l When you have instaled the new language the default for switching from English to Russian is SHIFT & ALT pressed at the same time, but you can choose another option if you wish (e.g. SHIFT & CTRL). To use the OSK.EXE desktop keyboard double click and it will come up and stay on top. Hope this is not too confusing

Cheers
Rod

[translator.imtranslator.net]

[www.russia-italia.com]


anche questi sembrano buoni
che dite?

Hi Xtreme1, I just picked up your post. In answer to your valid point;
"How do you pronounce "спасибо" - the "o" is NOT pronounced "o".
When I made the same observation to my Teacher, he said "pronounce it like the 'o' in 'oven' and not like the 'o' in women!"
No Mate, Russian is a doddle to spell compared to English, even though you are quite right there are a couple of anomalies ... like 'g' pronounced 'v' sometimes (eg - его), but then they make up for it by producing single letters for sounds we can only fudge in English. I like (ч) for 'ch' and (ш) for 'sh' or best of all (я) for 'yeah'.

As for your info about the Keyboard, the reason why I like the clever Tero Magictyper is that the letters roughly correspond with my English keyboard. If I follow your route and change the keyboard to RU everytime, then I need to have RU keys (or some kind of overlay) which I don't have and can't be arsed to get, for the odd quick note I write now and then. Give it a try I think you will like it. Cheers

CheckbooksRus

I am new to the forum. I saw your post about keyboards. I found a great company that makes dual and even tri language keyboards.
[www.ikbs-usa.com]
I had them make me a English/Russian keyboard on the Borealis Firefly (a backlit keyborad). They also do laptops and cell phones. Using this and the quick left ALT SHIFT switching I can go from Russian to English and back again with great ease. Hope this is of help.

cool

Windows Mobile based PDA users, can trial download a great little multi-lingual keyboard at Spb Keyboard.
Its good for short messages and has both word completion and spell-check in which ever language you pick - there are lots to switch between, all pre-loaded. Its brilliant for Russian.
I use it with the very pretty and functional Spb shell, (which is what WM 6.1 should have been like), but I think it works well as a stand alone app.
(Note - I pass this info on without any connection with Spb or techie know-how. You are on your own!)

Rather than switching keyboards or making other changes to my computer I bought my wife a $ 200 used laptop on e-bay and she loaded it up for all her Russian needs and uses the Wi-Fi on my AT&T Internet connection. There is an added plus in that we can both be on the Internet at the same time.