Life is a way of gambling.
Big bizniz certainly is gambling.
Big money in a big country is definitely gambling.
I think I have read somewhere that one or two of the nightclubs in Cheboksary has some sort of casino.
I hope there are very few noisy slot machines. They are really ugly. In Norway all such noisy machines
have been removed last year.
Slot machine or romance-scammers..... same shit anyway

You're right djoeye. The same shit anyway.

There are casinos in all the big Russian cities nowadays but very soon gambling will be prohibited on the terretory of Russia. Four special gamblig zones will be created instead in different parts of the country. They call them "Russian Las Vegases".

Russia has looked to Norway and Canada, I see

Controlling gambling generally is a good idea. I was in the Bahamas years ago and attendants at the crap tables were really attempting to cheat the people who were playing and putting their money down. There was nothing that could be done since you were in another country. Certainly in Las Vegas, the owners of the casinos buy off the local police who make sure the casinos profit handsomely. This is why I'm not such a big proponent of gambling. I suggest anyone wanting to try gambling should observe first and then decide if they trust the attendants are doing their job. Yes you can win at gambling but you have to be sure you know what you're doing. There are lots of people watching winners in casinos. Winners should not get greedy but leave after they've won a fair amount. .

Why do they need gambling in Cheb? Scamming is much more profitable!

They want to double the amount of money they got by scamming.

While I've never been to Cheboksary, I believe there are good people there. I would never say I'm safer here in Miami, Florida than I would be in Cheboksary because I've been the victim of a number of crimes here. In most cases, I'm glad to be alive. Women in the United States are scammers sometimes and many times there are men behind this. About the only people facing the death penalty in US prisons are the poor people. I've never heard of a prominent wealthy person being executed. The system of justice in the United States can also be considered a scam because money, in most cases, buys a person's freedom. It's a shame. That's why I tread lightly because I know we here in America have a lot of big faults.

"I've never been to Cheboksary, I believe there are good people there. "

Yes indeed. Lemon is there !

Do people of Cheboksary drink the water from the tap,
or is it risk for receiving diseases?

Do tourists drink the water from the tap?

Travel guide books tell that tourists should only drink
bottle-water. Water from the tap contains parasites
and heavy metals, they say.

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I don't know if tourists drink the tap water. It is not more dangerous than the tap water in Norway or somewhere else.

Why to drink water when beer is good enough? I'll come to Cheb when I financially recover.
I still believe vast majority of Cheboksarians are good people like Lemon, with some weeds
in between called Ekaterina/Katya/Kolya/Dima. I'll drink to it. Nazdarovie!

I drank tap water in Europe when I was there. If there are healthy Russians in Cheboksary, that means the water treatment process is pretty much the same in the developed countries. Miami is the place where a good water filter is recomended by myself who has worked with the water treatment department here in Miami. Pure water makes things taste better like coffee, soup, and vegetables cooked in water. Chloronation is the culprit that ruins the taste of the water. It can also produce tri-halomethanes which filtering can remove. My advice is, if you can't filter it, drink only enough to quench your thirst.

I have been following this thread for a while now after searching on the web trying to gather information about this fascinating place. I have seen quite a few pics here posted by few members and I am more curious to know and experience the place in person. However, I wanted to know from locals/tourists if it is safe enough for a black person to visit the place ? I am not visiting any girl there, its just my interest of knowing different cultures and places.

Thank you,
R.

Is it dangerous for a white man to walk around alone in an impoverished black-majority urban city? I mean the Bronx, Camden, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc.

It's good to get the input of locals before you go traveling to another country. If you come to Miami, try to stay somewhere east of US Highway 1. Usually you can find a good spot on Miami Beach. Coming during the summer is a better option because hotel and motel prices are cheaper. If you have a friend in the city, try to arrange to have the friend meet you at the airport if possible. Once arriving anywhere in the world see if there is a center which can answer your concerns about attitudes and situations in the city. If you can get American Express Traveler's Checks, this is even better. These can be replaced in the event of any type of loss. They can even be cashed at any bank in the US. I take them when Itravel abroad. I've never had a problem.

"American Express Traveler's Checks" - sounds to me like history from the 1980's..... but I am norwegian

Tourists who come to Norway pay with their card. If they want cash (kroner), they put their card into the
minibank (ATM) and get it in correct currency.
Food stores don't accept credit cards, so cash is recommended if you wan't to buy everywhere.

Our bookstore accept all credit cards, visa, euro, master and even american express.
We also accept cash in one foreign currency, €uro, 5- 10- and 20-€uro notes.
The rate is not as good as if you change in a bank. Change is usually given in kroner. not euro.
Is quite rare that shops accept anything else than national currency kroner at us.
Also in Sweden and Denmark the stores prefer kroner.
Dollars? Nope! If you bring dollars to Europe, you should visit a bank soon and change.

My best advice to tourists from outside of Europe, is to "think european" before you enter.

Before I entered Russia, I changed euros into rubles. In metropols like Sankt-Peterburg there are many
change offices. But I have not tried any of them yet. Sometimes their poster's say they give a good rate.

flyfar :-> There are white folks living in Bronx and Baltimore and majority of the police force in New Orleans is white. I think it is still relatively safe to "visit" those areas. Nobody can say racism does not exist and I believe US is relatively tolerant compared to other western countries and I am proud of my country for that.

I have extensively traveled western europe during the past 4-5 years, all countries leaving few like north of Netherlands and Italy. I have visited only major cities as could not afford to go for long vacations. I found London, Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels to be very friendly and welcoming and I thoroughly enjoyed my stay there. Last year I also made a trip to Prague and also ventured to slovak republic for less than a day. For lack of better words, I found a bit of hostility in those regions, not that the people are not nice, I think that they are not just used to seeing people of my color as tourists.
So I was curious to know how wise would it be for me to venture further east of europe to a place like Cheboksary, alone ? I would like to have an honest local opinion about this.

Thank you,
R.

Well, I have to say that there are some f...ing racist in Russia who could be hostile to you. However, on the whole, you can feel safe in big Russian cities.

I would tend to agree with Lemon. I don't think you should have any problems in Cheboksary. Rap, R&B, Reggae, and all other types of music I would say are also popular in Cheboksary. I believe more that there is tolerance of all types of people in other parts of the world. The real thug is the one who is looking to enrich himself. Money and materialism are the norm for such person rather than race. When I was attacked by two black youths in the Liberty City area, money and material items were what they wanted. They even tried to steal my car, but they couldn't drive a stick shift. They had guns but I cooperated with them and came out alive. I lost money and some other items but my life was more dear to me.

Nagybudai I have to say that I was extremely shocked by the amount of violence in your state. Every single day there was at least 1 murder in every town and always involving guns and nearly always it was between black men. I'm so glad we have no plans to legalise gun ownership over here although we have a problem with gangs of black men, it's very rarely white men, most of these have links to the USA and Caribbean. We ended up in a few dodgy looking places ourselves and saw a few men that scared the shite out of us just by looking at them so we soon got the hell out of there and sure as hell we didn't look behind us! I'd love to buy a villa out there but this kind of menace puts me off as I don't feel 100% safe.

Michele

To Mitch

I've survived out here since 1959. I can appreciate how you feel. I am saddened by one of the stimuli which I feel is responsible for most of the crime. I refer to Hollywood. We have talented producers like Stephan Spielberg, Leonard Stern, Laurence Tisch, Josef Sulzberger, Metro-Goldwyn Mayer and the like. These individuals of the entertainment industry produce movies and programs which glamorize violence, hatred of whites, and killing. In any form of media you will see where the white European is vilified. FBI statistics tell another story than the media wants to report. Ninety percent of interracial crime in the United States is black on white. Hate crimes are so rare they should not be given such inordinate attention here in the United States. I've learned where to go and not to go here in Miami. I do support the citizens right to own guns, but the gun crime statistics are grossly over reported. In Kennesaw, Georgia, where a city ordinance was passed requiring all residents to own a gun, the crime rate dropped fifty almost over night. There's more murder via the use of knives, beatings, arson, poisonongs, cutting a car's brakeline, and non-firearm implements than there is with guns. The FBI and local crime statistics bear this out. But getting back to the entertainment industry, the producers I mentioned are not talented if they inflame one race with movies and programs that vilify the white European. I never go to the movies here because I hate the violence that Hollywood tries to glamorize.

Hello Nagybudai and Everyone in Cheboksari,

I got to this site through a message and I found your postings very interesting to read.

Actually, I am the one that used to attend a college year in Chebok in 1978-79 (a long time ago ) learning the Russian language from Hungary and still have very nice memories of the people and the place.

Unfortunately, I do not have too many photos of those experiences - and those are somewhere quite a distance from where I live now - but I will look for them and will scan and send them to you share with others.

Anyway, it is nice to hear from y8tiger... regards to you all anywhere in the world. I had wonderful experiences in Atlanta (Georgia, US) too in 2001 and 2006 - the Hungarian community is wonderful there.

And my best wishes to you, Nagybudai as your nick sounds very much Hungarian. Is it so? I would like to hear about your Hungarian and Cheboksary ties as this is what we can share, can't we?

My best wishes to the people in Cheboksary to where - I do hope- I can return on a visit in the near future. I am sure it will not disappoint me but, on the contrary, it will recall all my wonderful memories of my time as a student there.

Warm regards,
Maria

To Maria
I am totally Hungarian. My mother and father were born in Erdei. My father was born before World War I. My mother after. I have relatives in Szekelykerestur in Romania. I was born in the United States in the Midwest. Detroit, Michigan. I've lived in the Miami area since 1959. I went to high school, college, and professional school in Miami. I know how to speak Hungarian but English is my main language. I am very American but I am proud of my European roots. I have never been to Cheboksary but was led to this site when I did a little investigation about scams. I find the site and members postings refreshing. My full name is Peter Nagy. I'm proud of it. I encourage all people to be proud of their name and heritage. I like to get information about Cheboksary because in early 2007 I became interested in Russian cultures and norms. I was contacted by a Russian woman who actually just wanted me to send her money and disappear. I never sent her any money. But this did not sour my feelings about Russians. I studied about Russia in high school and learned interesting facts about it's 20th century history. I have been to Budapest once. In June of 1991. Unfortunately I never had an opportunity to do a return visit but that will come someday.I don't want to take up space on this forum to talk about non related things. I'd be happy to tell you more on my email nagybudai@yahoo.com, please contact me there.

For Real Cheboksary Tourism Questions
Topic: To drink the water

I have seen many commercial posters for bottle water "Boda" in Russia.

I remember I bought Pepsi on Nevski from local sellers, but I think I also
drank the water directly from the tap on the hotel, and in Lomonosov.

And I did not get any parasite.

The tourist guide books that advices tourists to not drink tap water, are
printed 2005. There could certainly be local variations in Russia.
I have only looked up in books about Sankt-Peterburg. And I found
none newer than 2005. Maybe Gazprom have invested some money
also in the water system in that city. As well as the metro subway.

For Real Cheboksary Tourism Questions
? When a russian wants to go abroad.... ?

First, he/she needs an international passport.
I have heard RF int. passport costs 400 rubles
and it takes 4-6 months to get it.
?

Second, probably he/she needs also visum.
(I can use a travel agency in Norway close to
the russian consulate when I want tourist visum
to Russia, they get invitations and everything)
Does he/she absolutely have to travel in person
to Moskva (Moscow) and meet at the embassy
of that foreign country?
I guess the travel agencies have a routine for
helping out on that much easier.

If it is a private visit, not tourism, it is maybe
a little more difficult
?
Then he/she must be invited by a serious
person in W-Europe, and the inviter must fill out
a visitor's guarantee form. The russian person
must have that guarantee paper to get visum,
and also with him/her when passing the borders.

Train ticket Cheb - Moskva - about 800 rubles?
And Moskva - Cheb the same, or discount
when purchasing as tour/retour ticket?

If anyone knows about a good site for finding
train prices and time tables (raspisanje),
please post it here.

djoeye Wrote:
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> For Real Cheboksary Tourism Questions
> ? When a russian wants to go abroad.... ?
>
> First, he/she needs an international passport.
> I have heard RF int. passport costs 400 rubles
> and it takes 4-6 months to get it.
> ?

It takes not more than a month.


> Second, probably he/she needs also visum.
> (I can use a travel agency in Norway close to
> the russian consulate when I want tourist visum
> to Russia, they get invitations and everything)
> Does he/she absolutely have to travel in person
> to Moskva (Moscow) and meet at the embassy
> of that foreign country?
> I guess the travel agencies have a routine for
> helping out on that much easier.
>
Everything depends on every country's regulations. In order to get American or British visa Russian citizens are to visit the embassies and answer different idiotic questions of the embassy officers.

> If it is a private visit, not tourism, it is
> maybe
> a little more difficult
> ?
Probably.

> Train ticket Cheb - Moskva - about 800 rubles?
> And Moskva - Cheb the same, or discount
> when purchasing as tour/retour ticket?

No discounts.

www.rzd.ru

Russian international passport
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My mistake, I should have written 4-6 weeks.
Price about 400 rubel ??
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Passport photos, what is normal price for 4 photos in Cheboksary nowadays?
99 rubel?
Visum - 2 photos is necessary.
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054Г МОСКВА КАЗ - ЧЕБОКСАРЫ Да 20:42 08:38 11:56 768
054G Moskva Kaz - Cheboksary Da - Msk 2042, Cheb 0838, total time 12h, 768kms
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Stations Станция (minutes hold)
Moskva МОСКВА КАЗ 20:42
Vekovka ВЕКОВКА 23:47 (18) 00:05
Murom МУРОМ 1 01:06 (2) 01:08
Nabashino НАВАШИНО 01:24 (2) 01:26
Arzamas АРЗАМАС 02:56 (2) 02:58
Arzamas АРЗАМАС 2 02:56 (2) 02:58
Shumerlya ШУМЕРЛЯ 05:22 (2) 05:24
Vurnary ВУРНАРЫ 05:59 (2) 06:01
Kanash КАНАШ 06:33 (20) 06:53
Cheb. ЧЕБОКСАРЫ 08:38

How to understand a russian train ticket:
[www.eng.rzd.ru]


But I could not find any price-list, table of prices, anything

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Chuvashiya and beers, Cheboksary! Cheers!
- Greetings from Norway - Russia's friendly neighbour -

[the fight against abuse of Cheboksary City and it's
good girls, continues at www.romancescam.com]

The price for international passport is about 500-600 R.
I don't know what the price for 4 photos in Cheboksary now is. It is definitely more than 100 R.
The cheapest ticket to Cheboksary costs ~700-800 R.

800 Roubles equals about USD 34. That's pretty cheap in US dollars. This would equal 170 Norwegian Kroners. I know the dollar is a little weak but I can see the strength it might have as compared to other currencies. Of course the Euro is much stronger. This would be 22 Euros. Currency conversion is pretty interesting. I've never gauged the feeling about the dollar in Europe but I know there's a lot of respect for the Euro.